where did you get outlet kit for drawer?
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PROJ Maness Designs
hace 10 añosThis was achieved by having an electrician tether a cord from the back of this box with a plug on the other end into another outlet in the back of the cabinet. Photo example:
PROFiorovich Group Design-Build
hace 10 años
PRODocking Drawer
hace 9 añosNice job. Another in-drawer power outlet option is the Docking Drawer. UL Listed and easy to install.
Dajo Sco
hace 9 añosUser
hace 9 años- PRO
Docking Drawer
hace 9 años User
hace 9 añosÚltima modificación: hace 9 años1. There is no UL standard that specifically addresses movable power outlets in fixed furniture. The closest that Intertek (our OSHA approved NRTL) could find is UL962a. We are also approved to CSA C22.2 #21, Cord Sets and Power Supplies.
THAT is because it is NOT allowed !!
According to OSHA, Intertek is not approved or allowed to make, change, or approve their own standards. They are only approved to test and verify that a product meets and is within the scope of an approved standard. Almost meeting a minimum standard is not the same as passing one.
NEC 110.3
(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling.
The UL Standard specifically EXCLUDES fixed furnishings.
"1.3 These requirements do not cover products for use in fixed furnishings."
You may as well claim that a toaster approved for use on the countertop is also approved for use in the bathtub while taking a bath.
2. The listing report written by Intertek says the following: .....The receptacle incorporates a duplex outlet and two USB ports for charging low power electronic devices or 16A duplex outlet with GFCI protection for powering various household devices .....
Then WHY do your 20 amp devices seem to claim to be listed under the same standard.
"1.2 These requirements cover products rated 250 V AC or less and 16 A AC or less."
3. We do not claim to be UL approved. We ARE UL approved. To be specific, we are approved to UL standard 962a and CSA C22.2#21 by Intertek (ETL) who, as someone who knows the NEC, carries identical legal authority to evaluate and list products to a particular standard as Underwriters Laboratory.
NO. you are NOT UL approved. You may be ETL approved for something, but it is NOT to the standards of UL 962a as your first point already so clearly demonstrated. Especially if it is installed in "fixed furnishings" or over 16 amps, or even anything other than cord connected (ie Hardwired) The NEC doesn't allow cords to be part of permanent wiring just because someone wants to do something dangerous, nor are flexible cords listed to be constantly bent back and forth in most cases. In other words, there is a reason fixed furnishings are specifically excluded from the standard 962a and why the standard is limited to a smaller wire gauge or amperage.
When the powers that have authority feel comfortable enough to make a standard that fits the description of your product, then, I would accept it.
4. This only says it complies with the standards of UL-962A, NOT the "quote" you posted in #2. In other words, it is publicly listed as;"1.1 These requirements cover cord-connected, indoor use, furniture power distribution units (FPDU) that consist of single or multiple outlet wiring devices that provide power for and are intended to be installed in commercial or household (residential) portable or stationary furnishings only.
"1.3 These requirements do not cover products for use in fixed furnishings."
"1.2 These requirements cover products rated 250 V AC or less and 16 A AC or less."
"1.11 These requirements cover FPDUs that incorporate one attachment plug and a single length of flexible cord terminated in an enclosure in which receptacles may be mounted. ..."
6. Code compliance aside,If your listing and approval is valid and says what you claim it does, then you need to post an official copy of it on your website, not try to slip me something under the table with a wink and a nudge, with some words crossed out and others substituted.
I do not doubt that you do everything possible to make your product as safe as possible.
I would much rather see one of your devices than any other homemade version out there, but I won't be putting them in any permanently attached cabinets until there IS an actual standard developed for that purpose, and the device is approved for that purpose to the right standards.
User
hace 9 añosÚltima modificación: hace 9 añosIt turns out, according to OSHA's WEBSITE , Intertek IS NOT a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) for UL 962A.
Intertek (ETL) DOES NOT carry identical legal authority to evaluate and list products to standard UL-962A as Underwriters Laboratory.
Looking at the certificate, we can see that OSHA has limited the scope of authority given to Intertek.
Looking at the list of what Intertek is authorized to do, we see that UL-962A is not on it.
Accordind to OSHA, a listing by Intertek to UL 962A isn't valid, or recognized, and does not give legitimate approval to use such a device in a coffe table, let alone a permanent part of a dwelling unit.
"Recognizing Noncompliant Products
This section helps users recognize when products are not NRTL-approved or have lost NRTL approval. The following discussion provides information on how to: (1) determine the authenticity of an NRTL's mark; and (2) identify whether an NRTL's approval is no longer within its scope of recognition. The following paragraphs describe conditions in which a product bearing an NRTL's mark is not NRTL-approved."
* "The product bears a genuine NRTL mark, but the NRTL did not test and certify it for OSHA purposes. The NRTL's mark might not differentiate products that it tested and certified under the NRTL Program from products it tested under another (non-NRTL) program. To determine whether a product meets the applicable NRTL approval requirements, a consumer (or inspector) needs to check the NRTL Program website to ensure that OSHA recognizes the NRTL for testing and certifying the type of product (i.e., the test standard for these types of products is within the NRTL's scope of recognition). If the product cannot be found on the NRTL's website, contact the NRTL to confirm that the product was not tested and certified under the NRTL Program."
* "The product bears a genuine NRTL mark, and the NRTL tested and certified the product, but OSHA did not recognize the NRTL for approving this type of product or the NRTL's approval is no longer within its scope of recognition. In this case, the NRTL has certified a product even though it has not been or no longer continues to be recognized to do so by OSHA. Similar to the preceding case, the product user should check the NRTL Program website to ensure that OSHA recognizes the NRTL for testing and certifying the product. If the product is not listed within the NRTL's scope of recognition, the product user should contact OSHA's NRTL Program Office to determine whether the testing was conducted under the NRTL Program."
- PRO
Docking Drawer
hace 9 años User
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Docking Drawer
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Docking Drawer
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