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Need a Reality Check on Nobilia and Leicht Cabinet Prices

Brooke Lewis
hace 6 años
última modificación:hace 6 años

Just got a jaw-drooping quote on 25 cabinets from "Nobillia" and Leicht (though quote says Nobilia) for our very small kitchen. The quote was $55K with another 10K for installation. That is about 2,200 per cabinet. White fronts, glossy ... This seems to me to be just nutty pricing. Thoughts? These are not custom. Not even semi-custom. Wisdom needed! Thank you, BW

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  • jdesign_gw
    hace 4 años
    Última modificación: hace 4 años

    Yes you can actually cook there too.



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    • PRO
      User
      hace 6 años
      Última modificación: hace 6 años

      It's standard high quality German made no VOC frameless cabinets. High quality furniture board is standard there and has been for well over 50 years. It performs just fine. High gloss acrylic is a high price. That can be a 50% upcharge right there. Plus, it does have to take the boat ride here. German cabinetry is not commonly found here either. It's the BMW of the cabinet world. Pogghenpohl is the Mercedes.

      Brooke Lewis agradeció a User
    • Brooke Lewis
      Autor original
      hace 6 años

      Thank you. I guess I am still having a hard time wrapping my mind around a 2K cabinet. It's like buying a Tesla to park in my tiny kitchen.

    • kudzu9
      hace 6 años

      With a little detective work, hopefully you can install quality cabinets and save enough money to park a nice Honda in there... ;-)

      Brooke Lewis agradeció a kudzu9
    • Brooke Lewis
      Autor original
      hace 6 años

      LOL!

    • GreenDesigns
      hace 6 años

      Dura Supreme would likely be 1/2 to 2/3 that. IKEA would be 1/8 that. There are options, but none will be the same quality German import. There's a big difference in the glossy White finishes as well. You have to decide what quality level that you want to achieve.

      Just beware of anyone local custom offering to get you "the same" look. It isn't going to happen. Not without a significant expense into some very pricy machines. Your local "custom" guy usually uses pocket screws, cheap plywood, and then orders doors.

    • Holly Stockley
      hace 6 años

      Hmmm, my local custom guy uses solid maple for the boxes, makes his own doors, and can design some very unique features into them. For about 1/2 what the OP was quoted. YMMV, but it might be worth asking around.

    • User
      hace 6 años
      Última modificación: hace 6 años

      No one local does frameless to the level of any Italian or German line unless you’ve got a million dollar shop. Frameless European looks and construction are a completely different animal than framed. Apples and kumquats.

      No one on the planet uses solid wood for cabinet boxes. If they do, they have tons of warranty claims and callbacks. Solid wood is not stable enough for boxes. It’s always plywood or furniture board. Furniture board for Euro, with completely different joinery methods than framed. Because the box is the strength component in frameless, whereas the frame is in framed cabinets. Apples and kumquats.

      If you want a glossy Euro kitchen, there aren’t that many players. And none will be cheap, to get the details correct. Details that the non discerning don’t even notice, but are what makes the look. Not everyone can design and install a kitchen like that either. That’s part of the appeal to many people. It’s exclusive, and persnickety.

    • PRO
      CCM Countertop and Cabinet Manufacturing
      hace 6 años

      http://www.kraftmaid.com/productlaunch/page2/highGlossFoils

      You might check these out. Should be available through kitchen dealers in your area.

    • User
      hace 6 años

      Framed Krapmaid is pretty darn far from Leicht. Apples and mangosteens. Both have peels. Not anything else.

    • PRO
      CCM Countertop and Cabinet Manufacturing
      hace 6 años

      It is, for sure - but may be more in line with her budget.

    • PRO
      Patricia Colwell Consulting
      hace 6 años

      I use Ikea high gloss in my kitchens and in clients for a whole lot less than that. I love that i get a 25 yr warranty . B ut that sid Germen made or European made cabinets do cost big $$$$ that is just how it is.

    • Kelli Duggan
      hace 6 años

      I just received a quote for Nobilia for a 13' island (matte slab finish) and it was $14k + tax and an additional $4k for install. I previously received a quote for the entire kitchen that was around $50K. In my kitchen in my previous home I used IKEA high gloss white and they lasted over 11 years.

      For the same 13' island using a combination of IKEA cabinets and Semihandmade doors the cost will be much less. I am obsessed with the interior options from Nobilia & Leicht but not sure I can swallow the price. From the outside the island cabinets will look very similar. Decisions...decisions.

    • kudzu9
      hace 6 años

      Kelli-

      Sounds like you are pretty knowledgeable about interior options. I am curious what Nobilia has in terms of hardware that you couldn't pretty much match with Ikea options.

    • Kelli Duggan
      hace 6 años

      Leicht & Nobilia offer a wide variety of fitments...wood and metal drawer organizers with felt liners etc., glass door panels (sides of drawers), lots of awesome dividers and features for everything that is placed in the drawers. In my opinion the fitments with Leicht are a dream and the Nobilia ones are a close second. I have had 2 IKEA kitchens and over the last 20 years and they truly were amazing as far as hardware, and durability. I just made the mistake of walking into a Leicht showroom and my drooling hasn't stopped!!

    • kudzu9
      hace 6 años

      Kelli

      Is it possible to go with Ikea cabinets and simply buy some of the unique Leicht fitments that Ikea doesn't have?

    • Kelli Duggan
      hace 6 años

      Ha! I have thought of that!


    • Kelli Duggan
      hace 6 años

      Brooke,

      I have been working with German Kitchen Center and Semihandmade. If you want to chat and discuss the value and pricing etc. Feel free to call or email me. I am finding it's difficult to get exact estimates and cabinet price breakdown without traveling to their showroom. You should have my contact info through your office. Small world:)

    • jdesign_gw
      hace 4 años

      Nicholas Skyles your education is a bit lacking. I can't speak to Eurpean taxes but one would pay sales tax here on domestic cabinets as well. As far as container fees it's about 2000. to get to the east coast US. Don't have a clue of what you mean by" we don't meet strict requirements ". European cabinets, are to me, better quality both in materials used and design elements. The only way to match that here is to use European components and emulated their design and construction methods. I know this because that's what I do. I've studied all the top Italian and German cabinet lines extensively. Having the high tech equipment or outsourcing to someone who does is also a must. Price wise we can do much better (if not what's the point). Still not inexpensive because of all that's involved but we do have an option for achieving this look using IKEA cabinets as a base.

    • jdesign_gw
      hace 4 años

      You are not the only one shipping containers. 10k per container would put most goods from overseas out of reach for US consumers. Europe, China and the rest. Not just high-end kitchens. Everything. It's all around us. What you are paying for in a European kitchen is all of the above mentioned plus brand name, plus high-end showroom , quality for sure and because they can.

    • PRO
      Max K Hara Designs
      hace 4 años

      Standard prices for these cabinets. They go as far as 2, 3 times up from this even for these premium European cabinets. A pretty standard kitchen at these manufacturers can be anywhere between 25K (lowest quality and finish) up until 150K or even more. Some average being around 80K.

    • Laura Krain
      hace 4 años

      Kelli Dugan, if you're still following this chain, would LOVE to pick your brain about IKEA vs. Nobilia (or anything in between).

    • jdesign_gw
      hace 4 años

      With the right customization you can achieve just about any look that you see from the European kitchen lines using IKEA as a base. Even the interior components can done. We do this all the time using much the same European materials as they do for the fronts. You do need to know what you’re doing for sure but more importantly you need to know what they’re doing. Not a lot of people want to put in the time and research it takes to get this right. Heres one example.


    • ci_lantro
      hace 4 años

      Two sinks & no cooker?

    • Brooke Lewis
      Autor original
      hace 4 años

      Wow! That looks awesome!

    • Zalco/bring back Sophie!
      hace 4 años

      Jdesigns, your work is always a pleasure to see. Your clients are very lucky to have you.

    • jdesign_gw
      hace 4 años

      Thanks Brooke and Zalco. That kitchen happens to be all custom but we can and do get the same look using IKEA as a base so it is within reach of a modest budge. Doesn’t have to take the boat ride over from Europe although most of the materials have.

    • Laura Krain
      hace 4 años

      Brooke, what cabinetry did you end up going with in the end?

    • ldink
      hace 4 años

      Is there anything available on the market that would be similar to the Leicht fitments? I just called a local distributor to inquire and he was short and curt. Needless to say, I did not continue the conversation.

    • Kelley Gray
      hace 3 años

      Can I paint non glossy Liecht cabinets?

    • Kelley Gray
      hace 3 años

      I’ve never experienced them before and have purchased a home with dated wedgewood blue cabinets. I will replace them.

    • Corey .
      hace 3 años

      Bumping this - any updates? I want these so bad but they are super expensive and Ikea look nice but I worry the MDF wont hold up for very long.

    • kudzu9
      hace 3 años

      Corey- My nextdoor neighbor has a house that I’m guessing is worth at least $1.5M. When he bought the house, the first thing he did was gut the custom cabinets and install Ikea cabinetry. It’s been almost 10 years and the cabinets still look pristine, even with 3 teenagers in the house.

    • jdesign_gw
      hace 3 años

      IKEA with custom doors (which we do everyday) will get you there and your concern about MDF is unfounded.

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 3 años

      We redid our kitchen last year. I did all of the demo, and most of the rebuild, including the skylight (roofer installed the glass, flooring company installed the hardwood). Then we had Leicht kitchen cabinets installed. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL KITCHEN IVE EVER SEEN!! I would do it again in a heartbeat!! It’s a dream to cook in!! It took a LONG time to complete, from order to final 9 months (the cabinet with the corner glass door arrived damaged twice. With order and shipping times from Germany it take a long time to get replacements). It was worth the wait!!!

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 3 años

      Here are the photos of my kitchen!

    • pahlawan
      hace 3 años
      Última modificación: hace 3 años

      @Heart Design That is a stunning kitchen. What is your countertop and backsplash material? Love how the cooktop knobs are built into the countertop.

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 3 años

      Silestone!! It’s great!!

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 3 años

      Pahawan it’s Calacatta gold by Silestone.

    • pahlawan
      hace 3 años

      Thank you. We have have Silestone too and it love. We've completed our kitchen renovation or I would have been tempted to do that integrated cooktop. What brand cooktop is that?

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 3 años

      Wolf. We LOVE IT!! The top is level with the countertop too!

    • chad hargett
      hace 2 años

      Cheryl. We are strongly considering Leicht cabinets through German Kitchen Center. I was hoping to talk briefly with you regarding your experience. I’m new to houzz. Would we be able to talk by phone ?

    • kudzu9
      hace 2 años
      Última modificación: hace 2 años

      chad-

      Some friendly advice: Do not post personal phone numbers in a public forum. However, if you and Cheryl both have private messaging enabled in the settings for your accounts here, then you can securely exchange information.

    • PRO
      Heart Design
      hace 2 años

      Hi Chad!
      I don’t give out my phone number. I purchased my kitchen through elite kitchens in Rockville MD. They were about 20% cheaper than German kitchen center, and did beautiful work. I am happy to answer any questions you have.

    • Carrie La Seur
      hace 2 años

      We're in the middle of a kitchen remodel using cabinets designed and ordered through Leicht Seattle. I wish I could go back in time and choose a different cabinetmaker. There were serious mismeasurements - cabinets extending into 2 doorways - and the owner won't replace the wrong-sized cabinets or even provide a packing list of what was delivered to our house. We chose to hire different installers and Leicht Seattle is deliberately making the install as hard as possible. It's become a nightmare. We've been camped in our living room with a microwave for over 3 months. I've read about similar experiences with other Leicht dealers. If you do buy Leicht cabinets, make sure you get very clear terms and disclosures before you pay them anything. They are very much about getting paid, even if you have no kitchen due to their errors.

    • Caroline Duncan
      hace 2 años

      I have a Nobilia kitchen and I’m currently having no end of problems with the doors warping. The door seals are not of a great standard. We have the touch kitchen Kutchenhaus Nobilia doors. Warping at the bottoms of most doors and kitchen only 2 years old. I clean my kitchen doors with baby wipes. So no moisture should be getting into those seals. So upsetting.

    • PRO
      Leicht Westchester-Greenwich
      hace 2 años

      Leicht westchester Greenwich I would love to help and answer any questions you have.
      Thank you

    • Verbo
      hace 2 años

      Cleaning with baby wipes? How nuts can you get. That voids the warranty on everything on the planet but a baby. It ruins finishes. It’s not surprising that it‘s failing. It’s incorrect care and abuse.


      As far as any silly test dunking cabinet doors in water? How much more abusive can you get? That’s completely out of line to even think that kitchen furniture should be able to withstand being submerged in water. Sheesh. Might as well drop a boulder on your car hood and claim the metal isn’t impact resistant.

    • ccden1
      el último mes
      Última modificación: el último mes

      Does anyone have any info on the Nobilia

      STRUCTURA 403

      Nero oak reproduction ? I am interested in this cabinet and cost.

    • wannaknow2
      el último mes

      Ccdent, the last comment (on this thread first begun 6 years ago) was 2 years ago. Your question might stand a better chance of an answer if you considered beginning a new thread. You can always add that you saw this thread and post a link with it’s title. Since you are asking about a different and specifically new topic, the Nobilia Structure 403 Nero Oak Reproduction, it would also be helpful in catching the eye of those qualified to help you.

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